May. 2nd, 2005 @ 09:31 am
|Date:||May 2nd, 2005 05:54 pm (UTC)|| |
Benecio Del Toro? You've gotta be kidding me!
oy, yes it's in english.
yes it's being played by spaniards...
but at least javier bardem is cute!!
but i agree...shit happens. cant expect americans to let a good oportunity to profit off of someone that, if alive would absolutely despise the idea.
Yeah. Guevara wouldn't hesitate to shoot Steven Soderbergh in the face regardless of whether he was making this movie. He's what I'd call sleaze.
It should be free. Or something. Not that I expect to want people to see it.
Benecio del Toro...now that made me laugh this morning.
Yeah, it sucks, but at least it may spread the word on Che's philosphy and get more people backing him.
Then what's with the Marines?
Well, joining the US Marines doesn't really help Che. In fact, it kinda hurts Che.
You know that Che was a Communist, right.
yep, I know. And I know America is Capitalist, and that I would be defending capitalism. I don't like capitalism as much as some and I love what Che did and what he accomplished. I respect what he did for the people.
Tell me what you think Che did for the people.
Why? So you could argue you with me? If you must know, he made the workers rights more evident. He left his rich and lucky(minus the asthma and divorce) and he went to help the poor and taken-advantage of in the Earth. He even left the revolution in Cuba to help against the struggle and oppression in the world. He fought against Tyranny and evil and everyone has to respect that. He fought for human rights, the best cause in the world.
No. Actually I was giving you a chance to explain what you were thinking, because I couldn't tell.
It's true he risked his life on behalf of a Socialist state which he believed in. But, one could argue that had he not met Fidel, he would have stayed in Mexico City and fell off the face of the planet.
But looks like my assumptions were right. You got a rose-tinted folk hero version of Che's life. The man needs to be separated from the myth. People, especially the naive youth of America, seem to ignore that he founded Cuba's labor camp system that was eventually employed to incarcerate homosexuals, political dissidents, and AIDS victims. He executed thousands and those from Batista's admin without any trial claiming that any actual judicial evidence was an "unnecessary bourgeois detail." He drug out men outside of La Cabana and murdered them in front of their family. Like Fidel, and following in the Latin machismo of the time, he believed in the innate weakness of women, and hated homosexuals. Many historians assume he had several neglected children out of wedlock, and for a fact he took advantage of his household maids for his own sexual uses. He was also a harsh disciplinarian, not only to his children, but to his bodyguards. For example he made Villages, one of his favorite bodyguards, strip off his clothes and locked him in a closet for some misdemeanor (as recounted by Villages fiancee). He was a man "obsessed with fixed ideas." In any case, he was literally laughed out of the Congo before seeking refuge in Prague, and was deserted in Bolivia without accomplishing anything.
"Hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, which pushes a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him into an effective, violent, selective, and cold-blooded killing machine. This is what our soldiers must become..."
No one here will ever give a damn about the oppressed Cuban liberals/dissidents serving long years in jail under a system Che helped to establish. If he wasn't good-looking and dead, he wouldn't be glorified, there would be no T-shirts on MTV, no posters, no movies with soap opera stars, and you probably wouldn't even have heard of him.
no, I was wrong to come off as harsh, but yeah, I knew about all this stuff yes, I didn't know that you wanted me to tell all of THIS stuff. I do not have a rosey cheeked version of Che. I know he did evil stuff. I like him for the good and hate him for all the executions and the imprisoned cubans.
When I learn about Lincoln, I learn he freed the slaves(Not that in all actuality the proclamation was only a platform to win preservation of the union). When I learn about Malcolm X, I learn he brought the african americans to the but of a gun(Not that he was a islamic fundamentalist who based all his teachings off of a fake). When I learn of Gandhi, I learn he was the modern father of the non-violent revolution(Not that he was a racists civil attorney). And when I learn of Che, I learn he was a man who believed so much in a cause greater than himself that he made the ultimate sacrifice for it.(Not all his horrific flaws). Why? Because thats what will inspire me to fight for his cause and stray away from his flaws. Why would you teach the wrongs of a man , if not only for the purpose of avoiding the same errors. And if the myth inspires than let it inspire every man, woman and child in this world and worry not about the rest until they have first grasped his philosophy. Because If they truly read only the words(Global justice, Guerrilla Warfare, El Hombre Nuevo, ect.) they will become everything he couldn't....and that is all he'd ask for....not for us to shoot steven soderbergh.
hey, i am new to this community, my first post, just wanted to say this del toro idea just sucks. i agree w/ yall. that's all.