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Just wondering what people think of Chavez? Benign saviour or future caudillio?

His super majority in congress is a bit unsetteling as it opens up the ability to rewrite the constitution to his fancy and allows for power abuse. But if the chap has good intentions then he could make some much needed reform and set good examples for the rest of the latin block.
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From:malvino
Date:December 26th, 2005 04:34 pm (UTC)
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Venezuela, Cuba and Argentina working together is a great opportunity for Latin America. I don't think Chavez is especially a tyrant or saviour, but he sees that there's no need for his (or other), countries to be subject to the USA against the will of the people and is prepared to stand up to that tyranny.

There's certainly cause for optimism over the next decade, there's a momumental opportunity for latin America to come out of the third world and rejoin the first.
From:diomedes30
Date:December 28th, 2005 02:00 pm (UTC)

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Agreed - However I feel some concern over his continous verbal assults on the US - Is there really a need for this? He is clearly giving his people a rallying point but its rather aggressive. I feel that his economic results and diplomatic leadership in the region could do the same.

Bullying America right now is not good policy. We are sort of backed into a corner right now with our failure in Iraq, the domestic issues and the administrations lack of public support. And being thus in the corner, we may lash out irrationally.

Having said this, I am glad that our souther neibours are are finding their feet, finding some unity and freeing themselves from US hegemony.
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From:malvino
Date:December 28th, 2005 11:49 pm (UTC)

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Various latin American leaders have tried diplomacy, did it work for any of them? Nup, the entire continent slid steadily deeper into poverty while corruption ran ramptant, maintained and financed by the US.

The only way to clear out the corrupt politicians and get a country working on that continent is to make it very cear that the country comes first, the everyone in positions of power are there to serve the people, not US companies, and that it really doesn't matter what the US wants or is comfortable with.

Chavez is a left wing leader, how many left wing leaders have the US removed (and replaced with right wing puppets), whether they were democratically elected or not? Pushing back while while the states are weak is exactly the right time, the US have always been very agressive in intervening in latin American politics and economics, especially when "American interests" (meaning United States profit) were involved, this might be the best chance for success.
From:diomedes30
Date:January 1st, 2006 11:59 pm (UTC)

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Don't you think that Chavez could expect the same support without the anti-yankee rhetoric? Actions speak louder than words, and Chavez has many actions to speak in his support.
Certainly Latin America needs to emerge from under the thumb of the US, but I think antagonizing the US is only going to make it grip tighter. If Chavez simple removed himself from their grip, with out the verbal attacks, I belive he would still be enjoying the success and support he currently has.
This would also take the wind out of Americas sails and there could be no calls for regime change in Venezuela.
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From:malvino
Date:January 2nd, 2006 12:12 am (UTC)

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I guess we'll just have to agree to differ then. I don't believe the US will give up Lain America unless it's forced to, if Chavez and the others played the American game they would lose, like everyone else has. The only way to be free is to call the US for what it has done, and is still trying to do.

It's intersting that you feel Chavez is attacking the US unfairly, if you look at what's been said on both sides it's hard to judge Chavez as the aggressor. Perhaps if the US is pushed enough it will snap and be exposed for what it is, even to US citizens, then Latin America can move forward and the world with it.
From:diomedes30
Date:January 4th, 2006 02:07 am (UTC)

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I don't think that chavez is attacking unfairly at all, but I just don't think that is the correct precedent to set for a successful and peaceful transition away from US hegemony. By playing the US game of aggressive rhetoric, Chavez is reduced to their level. But I belive what he is saying is correct.

I am also concerned about what the cost of this so called 'exposing' of the true USA will be. If the US snapes and shows its colors then alot of people might die.

If Chavez continues with his current policies of reform but cuts away the aggressive words, I don't think anyone would say that he is playing the American game. The most un-american activity possible is to move away from a free market economy. I think this could also help break the cycle of violence as the populus will be rallying around the reforms, not the aggressive words.
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